Why I'm Hiring a Publishing Coach

In this episode, I discuss the crucial role coaching has played in my journey to achieve success in voice acting and audiobook narration, highlighting the importance of investing in professional guidance. I reflect on my six-year journey as a writer, detailing how my initial focus on craft did not help the business side of publishing, which is essential for success.
Resources mentioned in this episode:
- Voice Acting Academy: https://learnvoiceacting.com/
- Speaks and Squeaks: https://www.instagram.com/alicesockettaudio/?hl=en
- Self Publishing Show: https://www.learnselfpublishing.com/podcast-sps-audio
- Learn Self Publishing/Self Publishing Launchpad Class: https://www.learnselfpublishing.com/
- AutoCrit Novel 90: https://www.autocrit.com/novel-90-writing-challenge-summer-g/?gc_id=23224406104&h_ad_id=&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=23215107735&gbraid=0AAAAABeZvfwnP34TEf9M-MRmdoWdm_6S1&gclid=CjwKCAjw0o3SBhBVEiwAh28-jehMSFfpHhmYmiMzlNSNT-I7N0b1URj0SCJCegGSQ4mtxldR8zgvERoCobAQAvD_BwE
Connect with me:
- Killer Prose Podcast: https://www.killerprose.com/
- Tanner Rutledge: https://tannerrutledgebooks.com/
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KillerProse6645
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/killerprosepodcast/?hl=en
- Narration IG: https://www.instagram.com/tannerrutledgevo/?hl=en
- email me: killerpenbooks@gmail.com
00:00 - Untitled
00:47 - Embarking on a Writing Journey
02:35 - Transitioning to Audiobook Narration
07:18 - The Importance of Professional Processes in Writing and Publishing
11:50 - Transitioning to New Goals in Writing
13:02 - Setting Goals for Writing and Podcasting
On this episode of Killer Pros, I talk about why I am looking at coaching, specifically on the business side of my publishing and writing, and how spending the time and money working with a coach is what allowed me to get into voice acting.
Speaker AWelcome back to the Killer Pros podcast, the show for horror, thriller, and mystery writers, where we talk about the art and business of publishing, and I talk about my journey learning the industry.
Speaker AI'm Tanner Rutledge, fellow author and voice actor, and that's actually something that I wanted to talk about today.
Speaker ASo six years ago, I set out to write professionally and to be published in fiction.
Speaker AI had been writing in magazines.
Speaker AI had been doing a couple of different things, and I took a lot of creative writing back in college.
Speaker ACheck out the earlier episodes.
Speaker AAnd my original plan was to be a novelist and a writer when I stopped being a private investigator.
Speaker AAnd I stopped doing that in 2021, about 2019.
Speaker AGoing into 2020, I really focused on learning and building writing craft and learning the publishing industry.
Speaker AThat's what started this podcast.
Speaker AAnd it started as an audio diary of me learning my way through the industry.
Speaker AAnd then I started interviewing other authors, and it just kind of became this place that was like a mastermind to learn craft, talk to Authors Network, and just follow this journey.
Speaker AAnd about two years ago, I was looking at publishing and wanting to do my own audiobooks because it was super expensive.
Speaker ASo I started learning voiceover, and specifically I started learning narration.
Speaker AAnd it was fun.
Speaker AI ended up kind of seeing some promise there, and I was like, oh, this will be like a great little side thing, too.
Speaker AAnd I started taking some classes, learning how to really build out a sound booth, learning how to do things here in the VO world, and it grew into its own thing.
Speaker AAnd then I got into audiobook narration, and it took off in two years.
Speaker AI am way ahead of where I am in comparison to six years of writing, and I think there's a reason for that with vo.
Speaker AAnd about maybe a year, year and a half ago, it became apparent that we need to homeschool our son.
Speaker AAnd I need something that I have total control over my schedule for the most part, but I can still earn a good living doing.
Speaker AI was really hoping that was going to be writing, but it just wasn't happening fast enough.
Speaker ASo I invested in coaching and courses for voiceover and voice acting to break into that industry.
Speaker AAnd I think that's the biggest reason that my VO work, my narration work, is ahead of my writing.
Speaker AIt's because I was able to learn from industry Professionals that were way ahead of me.
Speaker AI learned their workflows and I learned how to work multiple auditions and get a ton of auditions out in a day and get feedback from that.
Speaker AI got support on my acting and performance from different groups and these communities that I joined.
Speaker AAnd one of the most powerful things wasn't just having access to a person who was doing well and working full time in audiobook narration and corporate void.
Speaker AIt was the community.
Speaker AThere were a lot of people in there like me, where I was and where I am because I'm still in those communities.
Speaker AAnd we were able to learn from each other.
Speaker ASo I was able to not only learn from my mistakes and things that I was doing and my wins.
Speaker AI was able to learn from anywhere from two to 800 people, depending on which group I was in.
Speaker AAnd generally it's about 20, 20 of us that are super active and out and chasing down things.
Speaker ABut we were able to learn from each other and it gave me a leg up.
Speaker AThere was also the technical knowledge.
Speaker AIt's super intimidating to come in here and be like, okay, so what do I need?
Speaker AA microphone, an interface, and yes, I do have a background in podcasting, so I had some of the bass knowledge, but I didn't know anything about acoustics.
Speaker AI didn't know how to set up a sound booth that was isolated and get a noise floor that was industry standard, which is sub negative 60 dB.
Speaker AMine's a little high today because there's a lot of stuff going on in the house, but it sits usually around minus 65 to minus 70 decibels.
Speaker AThat's a really quiet room.
Speaker AI learned how to do that because people taught me, because I paid them and I did not do that in my writing.
Speaker AHad I done that, I think I would be a lot further ahead.
Speaker AAnd yes, I took writing courses, I took writing classes and I focused heavily on craft.
Speaker AAnd I think that was the right move starting out.
Speaker AYou can't market and sell and launch and make workflows around crap because you're just going to keep pushing out crap.
Speaker ASo I'm glad that I spent the money on the classes, the groups, the different things on my writing for my craft.
Speaker ABut I didn't do that on the business side.
Speaker AAnd the reason there was I thought that it would be very similar to running the businesses that I had run in the past.
Speaker AI ran my parents construction business for a little while while my father was sick.
Speaker AI had my own PI agency, my own personal training business, and I thought that marketing and running a print company would be very similar to that and it's just not so.
Speaker AI think one thing that really, really held me back in my writing and specifically my publishing business because there's the writing and the art side of it, which I did get guidance there, and then there's the publishing in the business side that I didn't.
Speaker ASo what I am lacking are professional processes.
Speaker AI have those processes in place from the Voice Acting Academy and from Speaks and Squeaks.
Speaker AThose are the two communities, the two main communities in voice acting that I'm a part of.
Speaker AOne's done by Joe Zica, the other is done by Alice Socket.
Speaker AAnd what they did, Joe gave me in his Voice Actors Academy A like 20,000, 50,000 foot view of the industry and gave me the basics in everything.
Speaker AAnd I was able to focus in on corporate work and audiobook narration.
Speaker AAlice gave me workflows, strategies and feedback on audiobooks specifically, which is what I love doing and honestly is what I see being the most steady work in voice acting.
Speaker ASo I had those.
Speaker AI was able to build professional processes and build a business around that.
Speaker AI don't have those processes in place for my writing and print business and I think it's time that I got them because when I look at these two things, that's the difference.
Speaker AI didn't have the coaching to learn the processes and the workflows to run it at a professional level.
Speaker AAnd yes, I could develop those myself, tons of people do, but it takes time.
Speaker AWhen I was a personal trainer, I used to tell people, you either pay with time or you pay with money.
Speaker AIf you want to hit your goals faster, hire me as your personal trainer.
Speaker AYou will get there on your own if you're consistent, but it's going to take you longer because there's a lot more to figure out and I already have the the knowledge to, to guide you there faster.
Speaker AAnd I think that's what I'm going to focus on this year.
Speaker AI've been looking at a couple of programs, I've been looking at mentorship and just really checking out a lot of the other podcasts to find out what other authors are doing, who is doing this well and specifically inside the world of the books that I write, who is coaching.
Speaker AAnd I think one of the first things that I'm going to do here in the next couple months is join the self publishing show.
Speaker AThey do a podcast, they have a class.
Speaker AI think it's called self publishing launch, but it is an in depth course on the business side.
Speaker AThe process is running the ads, doing the things that it takes to get business in voice acting, that's auditioning.
Speaker ASo I had to learn how to get get into the rooms that I needed to be in like acx and voice 1, 2, 3.
Speaker AAnd how to meet people and be around casting directors to get cast in parts and to land audiobooks and corporate stuff for books.
Speaker AI need to learn advertising, I need to learn marketing and media strategies and I need to come up with a process that has been proven inside of my genre and I can do that on my own and I can spend years doing it or I can hire a coach, classes and join a community.
Speaker ASo that is what I am going to be working on this year is coaching in the business side of publishing so I can get these books out in a way that is profitable.
Speaker AAnd I know a lot of people don't like hearing about the profit stuff and the business side of writing.
Speaker AWe really dial in on the craft and that's a mistake that I made.
Speaker AI got the coaching and the craft.
Speaker AWell, okay, that's not a mistake.
Speaker AI got the coaching and the craft.
Speaker AI got my writing to where I believe it is good and marketable and the feedback on it is that it is good and marketable but I don't know how to market it.
Speaker ASo that's the issue.
Speaker AI'll let you guys know how it goes as I go through this year and I get prepared to really dive in to the business side of publishing.
Speaker ABut that that's actually going to be my advice for this podcast.
Speaker AIf you want to get there and you don't want to waste a ton of time and a ton of money developing everything from the ground up and reinventing the wheel, coaching and courses is the way to go.
Speaker AYou can hire someone one on one that tends to be the most expensive, like a book coach who can help you get your book finished and come up with processes to write faster.
Speaker AYou can hire a coach who specifically specializes in the publishing side to make that more efficient.
Speaker AShow you like, what do you do?
Speaker AWhere do you go to get your cover?
Speaker AHow do you format the book?
Speaker AOnce you put the end on your final revision of the book and it's been through editing, what do you do to get it in the hands of a reader?
Speaker AAnd that is the knowledge that I am seeking this year from a coach.
Speaker ASo that's what I'll be doing.
Speaker ALike I said, I'll let you guys know how that goes.
Speaker AI know that I'm interested in the self publishing shows courses and I'll link to those down in the show notes God, I have this one panel that just keeps flying off the wall and it doesn't matter what I do, it won't stay stuck to the.
Speaker AJust came off again.
Speaker AAnyway.
Speaker AAll right, guys.
Speaker AYeah, it's been a hell of a year.
Speaker AI want to keep like the conversational part, but I also want to get into the meat of the episode.
Speaker ASo something I'm trying right now is putting all this stuff at the end where we catch up.
Speaker ACurrently, I am getting back into writing every single day.
Speaker AI've been hyper focused on getting the audiobook business up and going.
Speaker AWe had some issues with public schooling, so we are looking at homeschooling our son.
Speaker AAnd I had to really focus on getting something that allowed me to work from home and have control of my schedule so that I could be teacher dad and dad and bringing money in at the level that, that I do.
Speaker AAnd I like owning my own business.
Speaker AI love audio.
Speaker AI've been podcasting for a while, so voice acting was the way to go.
Speaker AAnd it seems out of the blue, but I did acting and stuff in theater when I was in college.
Speaker AI loved it.
Speaker ANever in a million years thought that I would have an opportunity to do it again.
Speaker ASo I'm very thankful for this.
Speaker ABut it has, it has really held up my writing because I've had to put so much time into literally building this.
Speaker AI built my sound booth, I built everything.
Speaker AAnd this is a writing podcast, so you guys are probably getting tired of hearing about it.
Speaker ABut no, that's been my focus and now that it's cruising, I can focus back on my writing.
Speaker ASo this week I am putting in a goal of a thousand words a day writing fiction.
Speaker ASo I'm not counting anything else.
Speaker ANo blog posts, newsletter stuff.
Speaker A1000 Words a day of fiction.
Speaker AHere we go.
Speaker AAnd I would love to hear what your goals are and what you're working on.
Speaker AAnd you can head over to killerpros.com and contact me there through the website.
Speaker AEmail me@killerpinbooksmail.com and just let me know what you're working on.
Speaker AGetting the podcast back and steady.
Speaker AI am shooting for weekly episodes.
Speaker AI'm talking to a couple of authors about coming on the show.
Speaker ASo we're going to get this rolling.
Speaker AAnd coaching is going to be a big thing for me this year.
Speaker ALike I said in the earlier part of the podcast, coaching is the reason that I even have a shot at full time career in voice acting and audiobook narration.
Speaker AIt's how I learned how to do voices.
Speaker AIt's how I'm actually working with, with another program now on getting better with my accents and I need to take that level of care in the business side of my writing.
Speaker ASo, yeah, I'll let you guys know how that goes.
Speaker ACurrently, if you're looking for something that doesn't have a huge, like pay barrier, Autocrit has their novel 90.
Speaker AAnd if even on the free accounts, it's totally free, you sign up, it's, it's a workflow for your planning, a workflow for your drafting, and then a workflow for your editing to get your book done and ready to at least go to an editor within 90 days.
Speaker ASo if that's where you're stuck and that's where you're needing coaching, that's also going to introduce you to some, some coaches who are familiar with your type of writing.
Speaker AThere's a planner, a pantser and a plantser, which is where I am, where you're kind of in between.
Speaker ASo check that out.
Speaker AThat's the novel 90 over at AutoCrit.
Speaker AOnce I finish this and get it ready to go out, I am joining the the self Publishing Shows launch class and I'll link to that down in the show notes.
Speaker AAnyway, guys, keep listening.
Speaker AReach out with anything that you want covered on the podcast and stay tuned.
Speaker AI'm going to have news about my stuff that's coming out.
Speaker ANot just my written book, but audiobook projects that are going to be coming out over the next couple months.
Speaker AAnd that's it until next time.
Speaker AEnjoy the process.




























